Should the bar owners be less honest?

King R

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The people who travel regularly to LOS know that things are less than perfect, but shouldn't they paint a perfect picture for the tourist, who comes here for his/her two weeks in paradise?
Several years ago I went to a small resort in Majorca, and at the time there was a series of sexual assaults, mainly against travel reps. However, by listening to conversations at the bar i used to hang out at, I put 2 and 2 together, and by chance mentioned this to a rep working there. There was a huge outcry that, I , as a tourist, had discovered this evil underside to Majorca, and I certainly should not have known or even guessed this, as it may harm Majorca's reputation as a tourist destination.
This afternoon, I was told by a British bar owner, quite openly, that there are people in Phuket who are mugging/robbing drunk tourists. OK its not as serious as sexual assaults, but, why would a bar owner, whose livelihood is making tourists believe that Phuket is a wonderful place, tell a tourist something different? And a lot of the conversation in that bar was about the short comings of law and order in Phuket, isn't it unwise to bad mouth your businesses hometown, especially in front of tourists?
 
Not really, I would consider forewarned is forearmed , if he's seen you with your camera enjoying a few libations I would think it was friendly advice to a new and potentially returning customer
 
I think the more attention the more likly the goverment have to do something about this. Sweeping it under the rug is only going to make problems bigger and then it will be bigger news when it gets out.
 
do they not have newspapers in majorca?....are the police in on hiding the situation as well

as bad as Phuketwan is they still do report these sorts of incidents quite well here

totally agree that the only way to deal with the situation is to be open + honest about .....then hopefully people will keep there eyes + ears open and maybe even help apprehend the b'stards
 
Good on him for warning customers. In the long run he is actually helping.
 
I think he was just telling it as it is or at least how he sees it.

I think many people who come here are a bit naive (or are they?) if they think any holiday destination where thousands of people congregate isn't going to attract nefarous characters who think they can milk money from it in a way they only know how.

By that I mean the criminals, I don't want to go down the path of dual pricing, touts, reps, jetski's etc etc as most of that is scamming IMHO.....I mean the person who is going to pick your pockets, hold a knife to your throat or a violent mugging.

Of course the glossy travel brochures aren't going to have a 'Warning Proviso' that while you are looking at all the beautiful things Thailand has to offer you may well be mugged/robbed/threatened. I personally know that if I am in a very busy P4P area (anywhere in the World) that the potential is going to be there as the places are magnets for these people to make a bit of easy money.

It's not going to put people off IMHO. People still travel to the Costa's, Rio, Eastern Europe even Blackpool which can be a bit rough round the edges at 3 in the morning. People, especially families should do a bit of homework before investing what is normally a large amount of money in their annual holiday. The likeyihood of that family seforum.xxxgering around the side soi's of Bangla at 4 in the morning and being picked off are slim anyway....I hope!

As for the Police, yep, they can make an example now and again, some high profile, well reported arrests etc etc but for each one they throw in the cells there are plenty more looking to prowl the easy targets.

The best bet is to try and not become that easy target in the first place......But folk are on holiday aren't they?
 
As I was in tourism before, I see the rock and a hard place scenario posed by the OP.
I wanted a good spin on my locale, but I didnt want a guest walking into a 'stiff arm' either.
Thing is , that the guest was already at my place, I wasnt having to market any further on them, so the job was to try to make their stay as pleasant as possible, and steer them away from danger.
Same as the bar manager in that regard.
Maybe its because Thais smile so much, that tourists here seem to leave their brain behind, maybe its because Asians are see as so friendly and obliging ( and small!) by Farangs, maybe its because Asia is so different in their experience compared to what Aus is ...
But they certainly do things they wouldnt at home.
You shouldnt have to tell them some stuff, like, "Dont walk down the road, even 2 foot from the edge!" but twice Ive seen them do so at Karon Beach, when theres a perfectly adequate and wide footpath there, and roadworks have diminished the lane width to dangerous narrowness.
But I have no problem at all warning against TTs and JSkis and talking with LBs late at night in quiet locations, of avoiding police and of never carrying a wallet. A wave of 'heinous' crime, i would be even more explicit about.
Yes, I have no vested interest now, but did so even when I was involved in a guesthouse here.
I never thought I had to tell customers to lock their doors of a night, that to me is a given, but after a burglary through an open door, I had to start telling guests, "Do lock your door when you are out and even asleep, burglary is not unknown in Thailand".
The victim BTW was a Roman who said he'd had his house robbed 9 times!
 
perhaps is because of the guy who has been goign around lately asking people for a lighter then pretending to joke about doing muaythai with them and stealing there wallet.

this happened to a few of my friends in the spce fo a couple of weeks, one got his shit stolen and when he tryd it with the others he got swiftly told to **** off

so watch out for him!
 
Hmmm..... the Muay Thai Robber happened to BM Mai Chob a couple years back.
 
Yep, a short slightly tubby guy mid forties? Or has he an apprentice?
There was also a tubby tg about 35 in the wings.
I wont carry a wallet, so he only got an atm card that was swallowed after 3 attempts at an atm.
 
I think there is a difference between "Sometimes, drunks get mugged on Bangla" and "Drunks are getting mugged on Bangla, especially now, in low season". The first a friendly warning without a definitive threat, but the second, albeit a warning, is a statement that the threat is out there.
Sitting here drinking an iced tea and looking at the palm trees and azure blue sea, do I want this idyllic image spoiled by stories of muggings? Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
 
Pretty much how everyone drives out here as well, including tourists! Another near miss with some twonk trying to undertake (Tourist) at lights today an my way back from PT.

Getting hit, falling off, screaming, wriggling, bleeding, hospital and pay up is pretty much the same here as at home.......If an ambulance turns up.
 
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    Full season Wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Connie , Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Linda ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  34. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธClaire๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธEly๐ŸŒธJazmin Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  35. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธAlisa๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  36. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Ivy big boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Suki and Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
  37. lotushubspa:
    Dear customers, Lotus Spa is located at 10737 Yonge St unit13. The girl who works today is named Anna๐Ÿ’‹Tina๐Ÿ’‹Mia๐Ÿ’‹. We have massages from Taiwan, China and Korea for you. First-class service. Come and try it quickly๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’‹Please contact 9052375885๐Ÿ’‹ or SMS 4163565876๐Ÿ’‹
  38. Sunrise Spa:
    ๐Ÿ˜˜ We have a wonderful Asian spa in downtown Toronto ๐Ÿ˜˜ 302 Adelaide St W, 2nd Floor ๐Ÿ˜˜ Today is Coco, Caribbean Sophie and Kitty ๐Ÿ˜˜ 416-916-7276
  39. hiyamickey:
    7 girls working at Reinella wellness, 19 years Japanese girl Hannah, 20 years old Japanese girl Amanda, Angela, Lulu, Sasha, Queenie, Ella @ 6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  40. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Foxy -๐Ÿ”ฅYour new addiction at Sparkling Spa! A tall 5โ€™7โ€ sexy Korean girl with a wi
  41. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, ELENA, CINDY and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  42. #203MoMo&Beauty:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Turkish Persian girl and Asian girl today
  43. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] 3 Top Girls Today at Alice Spa: *New today, NANCY: is a young, petite & busty JAPANESE cutie. Nancy is short with a small body, pretty babyface, AV Star type. MAGGIE (10am-9pm) (1pm-9pm) is young pretty & petite. Short & super slim, busty HK student, great massage
  44. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Saturday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY & MIA. CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. MIA is a young 27 JAPANESE girl, curvy, good massage bbj cim, nice and open minded.
  45. ASPA:
    SATURDAY at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Jenny, Rachel & Tracy. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ JENNY is a sexy Asian honey, about 165 Cms., slim to medium build, beautiful natural 36Cโ€™s, long sexy legs & big hips, good massage & excellent services. Jenny has sexy smooth skin and a very good personality.
  46. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Apple๐Ÿ˜˜ - Brand new girl from Taiwan ju
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAMY & NANA. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills Nana is a slim and very sexy Korean lady, very pretty and accommodating. Come and try, you will like. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. TIFFANY is amazing slim petite
  49. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Sasa is here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿซฆ Sasa is Young Pretty Chinese Girl ๐Ÿ’„ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  50. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Yoyo & Nayla are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Yoyo is a Very HOT n' Sexy Asian. ๐Ÿ‘ Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl. ๐Ÿ’‹ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
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