Black Privilege

[Ninersfan]

Many of the Americans I know have told me similar things. Most Americans that don’t live in the big cities, or interact with suppliers or customers in different countries or states as part of their business, don’t know what goes on outside their own state and often they don’t have a clue what goes on outside their own county within their own state. People are shaped by what they see day-to-day as much as, and arguably far moreso, than what they are taught in school. Most people I know have forgotten more about what they learned in school than what they retained. So, if people don’t see or interact with black people daily how could learning CRT lead so many to contemplate or even commit suicide as DW claims?

Hmmm...

How could young White people being taught that all White people are racist and evil lead to psychological trauma in young White people which then could lead to them becoming severely demoralized/depressed and contemplating or even committing suicide?

It's a complete mystery

That's what you want to know right? That's what you couldn't figure out on your own?

Much subversion in this one

 

[Blue.eyes.white.dragon]

I'm quite familiar with this interview. For the record, I'm not an unqualified Shapiro supporter. I don't agree with him on a lot of issues, such as abortion, public health care, religion, even some aspects of free speech, but he is an excellent critic of the left and its policies. He talks fast, but I can manage to understand him.

As you say, to his credit, he later admitted this was a bad interview. Everyone has a bad interview. He admitted that Klein got under his skin and he even admitted that he hadn't done his homework before the interview. He should have known Klein is not seen as a "leftist" in the context of UK politics. Having said that, Shapiro was absolutely correct to point out the double standard and "gotcha" approach that Klein brought to the interview. Call me crazy, but give me a guy who admits his mistakes any day of the week.

Let me finish by pointing out that your response to our discussion is telling. You posted a video, I responded to it and shared Shapiro's critique of that same video. Your reaction was to call Shapiro a "retard" and post an irrelevant video. You made zero effort to counter the points I made, and I can guess why.

Ok I was going to dissect Ben but you admit he’s shit. Ok tell me you’re criticism of “ the left”. Trust me there are 1000 lefts and like ten rights. Be and people I agree with on a lot of things. Still fight over tons of stuff, but tell me you’re ideas please.

 

[Deleted member 79939]

I’m like busy, but I will respond to this, and Ben is a fucking retard. He just walks fast.

Trudeau is smarter

 

[Blue.eyes.white.dragon]

I don’t really like him ether. 97% of these people are ether stupid or full of shit, or both.

 

[Hornet]

I'm quite familiar with this interview. For the record, I'm not an unqualified Shapiro supporter. I don't agree with him on a lot of issues, such as abortion, public health care, religion, even some aspects of free speech, but he is an excellent critic of the left and its policies. He talks fast, but I can manage to understand him.

As you say, to his credit, he later admitted this was a bad interview. Everyone has a bad interview. He admitted that Klein got under his skin and he even admitted that he hadn't done his homework before the interview. He should have known Klein is not seen as a "leftist" in the context of UK politics. Having said that, Shapiro was absolutely correct to point out the double standard and "gotcha" approach that Klein brought to the interview. Call me crazy, but give me a guy who admits his mistakes any day of the week.

Let me finish by pointing out that your response to our discussion is telling. You posted a video, I responded to it and shared Shapiro's critique of that same video. Your reaction was to call Shapiro a "retard" and post an irrelevant video. You made zero effort to counter the points I made, and I can guess why.

Yes, I didn’t respond to your post yet (#59). Your post was the one after my video post (#58) to another poster (#57) because other than a brief few minutes here and there I’ve been running around and in meetings all day. The reason is simple, I just haven’t got to it yet. Responding to DW, Stripfan, altaguetta, etc. is easy and takes as much effort as ordering food from the McDonalds drive-thru where if I order a Big Mac combo they’ll still screw up and mix up the drink. Responding to you takes more time and effort and is more like order food from a restaurant where it will be ready in 45 minutes to an hour later. I simply waited until I had time to respond.

You seem to be so hung up on CRT. Please show the community the exact content being taught in schools (and which type of schools) where they are explicitly stating that all whites are racist rather then there are unconscious biases and engrained discrimination practises so deep that people have become oblivious to it and people are getting defensive when someone is trying to bring it up. I haven’t seen the content so how can I comment on the content. My understanding is that true CRT teachings are what is being taught in Law Schools whereas it’s offshoots (unconscious biases, etc.) is what is being taught to businesses, etc..

Do I believe in unconscious bias? Yes, I do. Do I think blacks are still being discriminated against today by people not knowing it? Yes I do. Do I believe that there were once and maybe still are unwritten rules and handshake agreements in the US that make it more difficult for blacks to buy houses, get loans, etc.? And, do I believe blacks are more likely targeted by police, etc? Yes, I do. Do I think the changing voters rights laws in Georgia and other states is more about limiting black voter rights than it is anything about election integrity? And, is that a form of system racism CRT is trying to point out? Absolutely! Do I think hiring managers will unconsciously favour a resume with the white name Mike Smith over a black name Jamal Johnson? Yes, I do. Intentionally, no. Do I think, pointing out these unconscious biases is calling all whites, racist? No, I think it’s meant to heighten self awareness about how people view other people. Not everyone can be introspective and few people are because it’s hard and uncomfortable so they need some help to get there.

Why Critical Race Theory (CRT) is Controversial

The Psychology Behind the Anxiety and Why We Should All Care

medium.com

if you mean I didn’t respond to your post #49, well yes I did in post #51.it may not be the answer you like or wanted, but it is an answer. What is taught in schools (and this goes for many subjects) is meant to be applied to the real world. If the black population is so low in the states with the highest suicide rates, how can CRT actually be applied in real life in Alaska, Wyoming or Montana? And how can that influence suicide rates (especially when it’s adults in those states committing the most suicides and not students)? Where is the correlation that DW claims (where CRT teachings are leading to mass suicides) that started my responses to him before you jumped in?

 

[Boston Man Chowder]

 

[Hornet]

Hmmm...

How could young White people being taught that all White people are racist and evil lead to psychological trauma in young White people which then could lead to them becoming severely demoralized/depressed and contemplating or even committing suicide?

It's a complete mystery

That's what you want to know right? That's what you couldn't figure out on your own?

Much subversion in this one

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Have you reviewed or seen the actual content being taught in schools or are you just another dumb fuck spreading what you heard on Fox (Fake) News?

 

[Ninersfan]

Should we be changing the name of this forum to “Racists Anonymous Forum”? Where all sorts of terrible things can be bravely said behind your keyboards?
Just curious…I mean c’mon.

Dear SaggyBallz,

I would like to apologize in advance for what you are about to see, but I feel it is necessary.

Thank you for understanding.



Have a great day

 

[Ninersfan]

In all seriousness though,

We're all racist, we're just not all honest about it.

Some people try to lie to themselves and pretend they are not,

but when they have to choose between a pack of...diversity, or a group of white boys walking past them at night, they choose the white boys every time.

This is 100% fact and if you say otherwise you are being intellectually dishonest or are a subversive jew

 

[sy barite]

Ok I was going to dissect Ben but you admit he’s shit. Ok tell me you’re criticism of “ the left”. Trust me there are 1000 lefts and like ten rights. Be and people I agree with on a lot of things. Still fight over tons of stuff, but tell me you’re ideas please.

I didn't admit anything of the sort. I said I disagree with him on some subjects and agree on others. On economics and many cutltural questions, his critiques of the media, I generally agree with him. He's smart and quick. I think his shortcomings are that he tends to misrepresent or exaggerate his opponents' views.

 

[stripfan]

Dear SaggyBallz,

I would like to apologize in advance for what you are about to see, but I feel it is necessary.

Thank you for understanding.

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Have a great day

It looks like they tore down that racist Statue of Liberty and put up the Great Mofo instead.

 

[sy barite]

Yes, I didn’t respond to your post yet (#59). Your post was the one after my video post (#58) to another poster (#57) because other than a brief few minutes here and there I’ve been running around and in meetings all day. The reason is simple, I just haven’t got to it yet. Responding to DW, Stripfan, altaguetta, etc. is easy and takes as much effort as ordering food from the McDonalds drive-thru where if I order a Big Mac combo they’ll still screw up and mix up the drink. Responding to you takes more time and effort and is more like order food from a restaurant where it will be ready in 45 minutes to an hour later. I simply waited until I had time to respond.

You seem to be so hung up on CRT. Please show the community the exact content being taught in schools (and which type of schools) where they are explicitly stating that all whites are racist rather then there are unconscious biases and engrained discrimination practises so deep that people have become oblivious to it and people are getting defensive when someone is trying to bring it up. I haven’t seen the content so how can I comment on the content. My understanding is that true CRT teachings are what is being taught in Law Schools whereas it’s offshoots (unconscious biases, etc.) is what is being taught to businesses, etc..

Do I believe in unconscious bias? Yes, I do. Do I think blacks are still being discriminated against today by people not knowing it? Yes I do. Do I believe that there were once and maybe still are unwritten rules and handshake agreements in the US that make it more difficult for blacks to buy houses, get loans, etc.? And, do I believe blacks are more likely targeted by police, etc? Yes, I do. Do I think the changing voters rights laws in Georgia and other states is more about limiting black voter rights than it is anything about election integrity? And, is that a form of system racism CRT is trying to point out? Absolutely! Do I think hiring managers will unconsciously favour a resume with the white name Mike Smith over a black name Jamal Johnson? Yes, I do. Intentionally, no. Do I think, pointing out these unconscious biases is calling all whites, racist? No, I think it’s meant to heighten self awareness about how people view other people. Not everyone can be introspective and few people are because it’s hard and uncomfortable so they need some help to get there.

Why Critical Race Theory (CRT) is Controversial

The Psychology Behind the Anxiety and Why We Should All Care

medium.com

if you mean I didn’t respond to your post #49, well yes I did in post #51.it may not be the answer you like or wanted, but it is an answer. What is taught in schools (and this goes for many subjects) is meant to be applied to the real world. If the black population is so low in the states with the highest suicide rates, how can CRT actually be applied in real life in Alaska, Wyoming or Montana? And how can that influence suicide rates (especially when it’s adults in those states committing the most suicides and not students)? Where is the correlation that DW claims (where CRT teachings are leading to mass suicides) that started my responses to him before you jumped in?

Thanks for your thoughtful response. Didn't mean to rush you.

I actually am "hung up" on CRT, because I think it's a travesty. But in this case, I didn't bring it up, I simply reacted to your tying in black population levels to white suicides and CRT.

First, let me address your statements on unconscious bias. Why do you believe it's a thing? Is there something you've read or some experience in your own life that has convinced you people act on unconscious racial bias? I ask, because that has never been shown to be true in any kind of formal study. Think about it. We all have moral failings. Are you unaware of yours? With regard to racial or gender bias, none of us are 100% free of those either. Are you unware of yours? Here's an article you might find interesting. Implicit Bias Debunked: Study Disputes Effects of Unconscious Prejudice | National Review

You asked for specific examples of how and where CRT is being taught. It's funny actually, it seems a lot of the proponents of this philosophy have started to dislike the attention it is getting, so they've stopped using the name Critical Race Theory and replaced it with Culturally Responsive Teaching. A sure sign they're nervous. Critical Race Theory is really an umbrella term that covers a bunch of different ideas, such as white privilege, intersectionality, anti-racism to name a few. A little while ago on another thread I shared an article on the race sensitivity training being conducted by the Global Affairs department of our government. The article contained actual examples of the material being used to "educate" civil servants. Here it is again, Only white people can be racist: Inside Global Affairs' anti-racism course materials | National Post . This material is absolutely representative of what is being taught widely and explicitly repeats the beliefs that you cannot be racist towards whites and that emphasis on things like hard work and punctuality are symptomatic of a white supremacist culture.

I'm watching the Euro now, but I'll add more later.

 

[Hornet]

Thanks for your thoughtful response. Didn't mean to rush you.

I actually am "hung up" on CRT, because I think it's a travesty. But in this case, I didn't bring it up, I simply reacted to your tying in black population levels to white suicides and CRT.

First, let me address your statements on unconscious bias. Why do you believe it's a thing? Is there something you've read or some experience in your own life that has convinced you people act on unconscious racial bias? I ask, because that has never been shown to be true in any kind of formal study. Think about it. We all have moral failings. Are you unaware of yours? With regard to racial or gender bias, none of us are 100% free of those either. Are you unware of yours? Here's an article you might find interesting. Implicit Bias Debunked: Study Disputes Effects of Unconscious Prejudice | National Review

You asked for specific examples of how and where CRT is being taught. It's funny actually, it seems a lot of the proponents of this philosophy have started to dislike the attention it is getting, so they've stopped using the name Critical Race Theory and replaced it with Culturally Responsive Teaching. A sure sign they're nervous. Critical Race Theory is really an umbrella term that covers a bunch of different ideas, such as white privilege, intersectionality, anti-racism to name a few. A little while ago on another thread I shared an article on the race sensitivity training being conducted by the Global Affairs department of our government. The article contained actual examples of the material being used to "educate" civil servants. Here it is again, Only white people can be racist: Inside Global Affairs' anti-racism course materials | National Post . This material is absolutely representative of what is being taught widely and explicitly repeats the beliefs that you cannot be racist towards whites and that emphasis on things like hard work and punctuality are symptomatic of a white supremacist culture.

I'm watching the Euro now, but I'll add more later.

I have seen unconscious bias myself and not just towards black people. I’ve walked the downtown streets and the people I walked with suddenly tell me to cross the street to avoid a small group of black boys coming our way. I’ve seen waiters and waitresses give attitudes to black families just looking for a family dinner thinking they’d be cheap and not tip well. I’ve seen in pickup basketball games where you alternate picking players and the first guy to pick ends up picking the black guy first (even if he’s only 5’6”) thinking he’s better than the 6’1” white guy. Conversely, I’ve seen that same white guy get picked in a pickup hockey game over that same black guy as people thought he couldn’t skate. I’ve seen people reviewing resumes set aside women’s resumes stating that if hired she’d get pregnant within a year. After 911, I’ve seen people give the evil eye to a Sikh friend thinking he was a Terrorist.

it exists and most people are oblivious to it and they need a nudge to see it.

 

[sy barite]

I have seen unconscious bias myself and not just towards black people. I’ve walked the downtown streets and the people I walked with suddenly tell me to cross the street to avoid a small group of black boys coming our way. I’ve seen waiters and waitresses give attitudes to black families just looking for a family dinner thinking they’d be cheap and not tip well. I’ve seen in pickup basketball games where you alternate picking players and the first guy to pick ends up picking the black guy first (even if he’s only 5’6”) thinking he’s better than the 6’1” white guy. Conversely, I’ve seen that same white guy get picked in a pickup hockey game over that same black guy as people thought he couldn’t skate. I’ve seen people reviewing resumes set aside women’s resumes stating that if hired she’d get pregnant within a year. After 911, I’ve seen people give the evil eye to a Sikh friend thinking he was a Terrorist.

it exists and most people are oblivious to it and they need a nudge to see it.

How is any of that unconscious bias?

You think the people performing those actions are not conscious of what they are doing and why? Those attitudes may be born of ignorance, but they are not unconscious. And it's not always racism or prejudice. No rational person is going to react the same way if faced with a gaggle of old ladies on a dark street at 2:a.m. or a bunch of drunk teenage boys. Again, I recommend you simply look within yourself. Identify your own biases and ask yourself if you truly are not aware of them. More importantly, if implicit or unconscious bias is a thing, what are we supposed to do about it? There is absolutely ZERO data showing that any implicit bias training works or makes anything better. And I'm not saying you are a special case, everyone has bias to some degree. You know why? Because most of the time it serves a purpose.

I don't mean to hit you over the head with articles, especially since I know you can find them on your own, but since you asked, consider the implications of this, or this. The circular argument used to defend crap like this is that racism against whites isn't real because white people "have power". A classic Marxist view which says the world can only be understood by class power. According to this way of thinking, multi millionaire Drake is a victim and a white general labourer with a mortgage in Scarborough is a benefactor of white privilege. Don't you see the racism in that philosophy?

Oh one more thing...let me see if I can express this clearly. If white privilege flows from the fact of the white's being a majority in some countries, does it follow that black privilege exists in black majority countries? Would the "power" not be in black hands in those places? I'm not trying to be cheeky, but I do think that example illustrates the basic unsoundness of the idea. Plus it ties this post back in neatly with the title of the thread.

 

[Ninersfan]

If White people have no culture, as many low IQ blacks and subersive jews say, then why are they always appropriating it?

 

[Hornet]

How is any of that unconscious bias?

You think the people performing those actions are not conscious of what they are doing and why? Those attitudes may be born of ignorance, but they are not unconscious. And it's not always racism or prejudice. No rational person is going to react the same way if faced with a gaggle of old ladies on a dark street at 2:a.m. or a bunch of drunk teenage boys. Again, I recommend you simply look within yourself. Identify your own biases and ask yourself if you truly are not aware of them. More importantly, if implicit or unconscious bias is a thing, what are we supposed to do about it? There is absolutely ZERO data showing that any implicit bias training works or makes anything better. And I'm not saying you are a special case, everyone has bias to some degree. You know why? Because most of the time it serves a purpose.

I don't mean to hit you over the head with articles, especially since I know you can find them on your own, but since you asked, consider the implications of this, or this. The circular argument used to defend crap like this is that racism against whites isn't real because white people "have power". A classic Marxist view which says the world can only be understood by class power. According to this way of thinking, multi millionaire Drake is a victim and a white general labourer with a mortgage in Scarborough is a benefactor of white privilege. Don't you see the racism in that philosophy?

Oh one more thing...let me see if I can express this clearly. If white privilege flows from the fact of the white's being a majority in some countries, does it follow that black privilege exists in black majority countries? Would the "power" not be in black hands in those places? I'm not trying to be cheeky, but I do think that example illustrates the basic unsoundness of the idea. Plus it ties this post back in neatly with the title of the thread.

You are asking people to look into themselves. Isn’t that exactly what the training is meant to encourage.

The examples I gave were all split second reflex reactions, not a thought out process. That is the unconscious part I’m referring to.

As for blacks being racist, I’ve posted before that the majority in any country can be racist towards the minorities. So yes, in black countries racism exists.

Marxism class power highlighted the differences between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, those with wealth and who owned production means and those you had to sell themselves as labour. It wasn’t about race but social economic status in times before labour unions and labour laws that allowed the exploitation of the working class. Marxism arose when the population of various countries was still quite ethnically and religiously homogeneous so it was a rich/poor political movement and not a black/white one.

 

[Blue.eyes.white.dragon]

I didn't admit anything of the sort. I said I disagree with him on some subjects and agree on others. On economics and many cutltural questions, his critiques of the media, I generally agree with him. He's smart and quick. I think his shortcomings are that he tends to misrepresent or exaggerate his opponents' views.

Are you fucking kidding me? You’re Canada. He literally against are healthcare system. He’s against any form of welfare, and is against people being paid a living wage. He’s for tax cuts for the top 20%. He’s a war hawk. He’s homophobic. Borderline racist climate change denier. What so smart about him? Ok there’s two genders wow.

 

[Blue.eyes.white.dragon]

If White people have no culture, as many low IQ blacks and subersive jews say, then why are they always appropriating it?

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There are tons of movie characters that were not white. Then the detector changed that. It feels like anything not white is woke.

 

[Blue.eyes.white.dragon]

How is any of that unconscious bias?

You think the people performing those actions are not conscious of what they are doing and why? Those attitudes may be born of ignorance, but they are not unconscious. And it's not always racism or prejudice. No rational person is going to react the same way if faced with a gaggle of old ladies on a dark street at 2:a.m. or a bunch of drunk teenage boys. Again, I recommend you simply look within yourself. Identify your own biases and ask yourself if you truly are not aware of them. More importantly, if implicit or unconscious bias is a thing, what are we supposed to do about it? There is absolutely ZERO data showing that any implicit bias training works or makes anything better. And I'm not saying you are a special case, everyone has bias to some degree. You know why? Because most of the time it serves a purpose.

I don't mean to hit you over the head with articles, especially since I know you can find them on your own, but since you asked, consider the implications of this, or this. The circular argument used to defend crap like this is that racism against whites isn't real because white people "have power". A classic Marxist view which says the world can only be understood by class power. According to this way of thinking, multi millionaire Drake is a victim and a white general labourer with a mortgage in Scarborough is a benefactor of white privilege. Don't you see the racism in that philosophy?

Oh one more thing...let me see if I can express this clearly. If white privilege flows from the fact of the white's being a majority in some countries, does it follow that black privilege exists in black majority countries? Would the "power" not be in black hands in those places? I'm not trying to be cheeky, but I do think that example illustrates the basic unsoundness of the idea. Plus it ties this post back in neatly with the title of the thread.

What specifically is he right about, or you like about him?

 

[Hornet]

And in today’s news, there was a Congressional hearing today and Matt Gaetz brought up CRT. joint Chief of Staff Mark Milley responds a little later on.