Dating an Asian Massage Girl

[QeeFyy]

you think that because they service many men every day at work, they are nymphos?

its been quite the opposite in my experience. it's all about the money.

 

[Charles Shirin-cowen]

I thought it was about stories of guys who had done it and anything else related to the reality or fantasy of it.

Small's story to me said way more than an opinion, comment, or warning.
It was such a rich and moving account. There are guys out there with real stories like small's. I wonder if there could be one or two with a real happy ending.

Peace

 

[Sergey Vaulin]

Are they the coyotes or Indians?

The way I understand that $40K goes to a whole bunch of people's pockets. Grease money to both governments and the guys transporting the illegals. Well basically this thread is about thinking you can have a normal relationship with a prostitute who happens to be asian.

It will never happen unless you can afford her livlihood and the social ramifications. One serious thought is that these women's bodies get used to servicing so many guys a day that you will have to allow her to have side boyfriends because you won't realistically be able to maintain her need. Didn't think about it.

Otherwise don't get serious and make an investment. Just have fun and it is what it is.

 

[xtest]

Small, Thanks for sharing that one. Bitter sweet.
Hope the lady is doing better. I am sure she remembers you.
Let's hope someday something can be done about the snake heads.

 

[PAYET M]

A few years ago i got involved with a girl who worked at my local AMP. It was a strictly rub and tug operation. I went to this place about once a week and started to request the same girl each visit, cause she gave the best massage. She actually had the worst attitiude of the 4 girls who worked there, but she was the youngest (34) and gave the best massage.
On the fifth visit with her things changed, I could tell she was having a tough day, but as she was massaging me we looked into each other eyes and really connected, without expecting it we started making out like teenagers. Then she went down on me. Was the first time i got a BJ at an amp and I didnt even ask for one. i continued to visit her once a week, and always got the BJ. She gave me her number and when she moved to another AMP she called me and gave me directions. She said I reminded her of her husband, but she was not the type to give compliments, but she often complained to me about the smelly fat obnoxious customers.

Her cousin opened a small operation across from Macys and she would call me and ask me to visit when the mamason (her cousin) had left. One time I arrived to find her in trouble with a customer, I had to escort him out of the place. Then I started getting taken care of for free. She not only refused my tips, she didnt charge me anything. I started to show up with Whiskey and or beers and after getting serviced we would sometime eat a meal together and drink. I Learned about her husband and daughter back in China. Why she came to America, how she was smuggled here thru Mexico and had to pay the snakeheads 40 grand.

She actually introduced me to her husband via the internet. She was talking to him via a web phone, at the spa after it had closed up, I was shocked when she turned the camera on me and introduced me to him, I lifted my glass and made a toast to him, he thanked me for taking care of his wife. It was strange, he thought i was the boss at the restuarant where she worked. This girl was sending all her money back to him.

When she found out her husband was cheating on her, she got reallly upset. That is when she asked me to have sex with her. i had never attempted it, since i was happy getting the BJs. She wanted to get even with her husband. She then regretted sending him all the money she had earned and she became depressed. We met just twice outside the AMP. Once she took me to a korean restaurant, she paid. We both ended up getting drunk and I had to get a cab to take her to Flushing, as she could barley walk.
She was always working, and i wasnt looking for a side girlfriend, but it developed into more of a relationship than i ever expected was possible. Eventually she moved to another state, Virginia , then Florida then Kansas City. We talked on the phone every few weeks but then it ended. Not sure what happened to her.

 

[Marissa Likeeee]

Just to be clear, when I say I am "dating" a K-girl now I'm misspeaking. Sure, we meet and have lunch or dinner. BUT I am really just a different kind of customer. We go to a hotel for an afternoon and I pay her afterwards. Whenever I become "just friends" with a girl then I explain ahead of time that I can't be a customer and a friend at the same time.

 

[idovadsedisee]

Agreed with HOG
Why we do it...
is just because we are what we are to pursue happiness, the need to hunt and own and to taste different variety. Is like walk into Baskin-Robbins, today Asian, tomorrow Russian, next day Thai, Malaysian,Czech, Danish,Blonde,Brunette,Red,Dcup,Ccup.HJ,BJ.BBBJ,Slurping,...........people)))))) add on .....

 

[DancerForLife<3]

I guess as long as both parties are down with it, it is cool, but the intention seems misplaced to me because it is about getting something for free and not just about really having fun with someone.

Also sometimes the freebie can lead to some confusion. Here's a story.

A friend of mine once got involved with a girl outside of her work place after she slipped him her number. He thought she really just wanted to hang out, he would go to her place hang out for dinner, have a nice time and usually ended up in bed with her. No money was ever discussed and then one day he gets a call from her requesting an amount exactly equal to the cost of their time together had he been a paying client. The money was meant to help her out with something but the dollar amount being exactly equal to session time payments made him realize she either changed her mind or he misunderstood the arrangement and was unwittingly taking advantage of her because she was just building a private customer base. When he suggested to take care of the payment directly or that he couldn't come up with the full amount of funds immediately she seemed to resent it. The whole thing went sour after that.

 

[Fnordian]

I think this is the key-- if you try to turn it into something else, you're in for a real disappointment.

I understand the white knight syndrome. A while back I helped out a gal who was 18 years my junior, we dated, she moved in, I started believing it was REAL and WHAM! one day she's gone. Looking back I should have known it would never last, but I got caught up in it.

Lesson- Enjoy it for what it is.

 

[michael p]

Did someone say 'lightning' ?!?!? ; ) : ) ................

Hmmm, must have an electrifying personality.

 

[Murceleigh]

Our esteemed Leader tells it like it is. All he teaches is TCB Baby

 

[beach heaven]

I understand the desire to say that the only thing wrong with thiscareer choice is the illegality and Christian morality. I think that's half-true.

But the other half is that when I was in a relationship with someone who earned a living by playing a part and selling her customers a vision, it didn't matter that we lived together, that we shared a bathroom and a bed, or that she was always financially self-supporting. The pattern of relating to men obliquely, of creating a rescuer dynamic, was something that continued with us and I felt like one of a long line of guys who wanted to take care of my baby.

So be careful out there, take your time, don't be quick to invest hope, or to disdain either.

Theres a book or two in the stories on this board ...

And thanks to cantin and tastebud and everyone else who tries to tell it lke it is.

 

[SJC]

I agree and disagree in equal parts. A bunch of my school-friends do sex work, so sure, I understand the socioeconomic similarities.

As for sex, the few women that I have seen outside of work have had a non-judgemental ease that most of the civilians could have done with. I've known (white, English-speaking) women do this and it has really improved their self-confidence and helped them own their sexuality.

I have family members, girlfriends, close friends acquaintences, business contacts do this work, and I'm a customer and I don't think that I have any disdain or disapproval for this work. At it's best it can even be noble.

And still, I think back to when I was dating a (working) provider and how much I had invested in her being "different, special." I never, ever, gave her any money- and I had to work hard to stop her buying me designer shit. This girl had a following. Someone (cantinflas?) offerred a more cynical interpretation and a datapoint about my darling that didn't fit my impression, so I wrote it off.
When we broke up a year ago it was because of her grasping ruthlessness yet even then was hard for me to see. Now, more than a year later, it's easy to see that my cynical compatriot was 100% on the money. She's back in Asia now, with her husband and her boyfriend and I wish all of them well.

The lesson is "don't put anyone on a pedestal". I'm now dating a k-girl who speaks no English. Her religion is the holy trinity of Prada, Gucci, and Marc Jacobs.

That said

 

[xvnyrgbv]

an open debate is always welcome.



agreed, i made a generalization. this may or may not be the experience of others. its just that the civilians i have been with tended to be more tentative and less comfortable and expressive sexually. perhaps i need to work on picking out the less conservative fuckers.



for the most part, you prob right. but i have seen my share where the only baggage they had was their occupation, and only bc people find it morally objective. if you can find a way to accept it as a job (which we hobbyists must be doing if we are patronizing them), some of them are no different than the rest of us.



again, for the most part, you are correct. at least in terms of seeing it from most of the hobbyists' POV. however, for me, culturally, ethnically and linguistically, we share a common background. socioeconomically speaking, they earn more money than i do. but our families come from similar socioeconomic class, so we were raised similarly.



this wasn't one of my reasons. i was guessing that maybe some people don't know any asian gals.

as for my stereotype, i'm sure there are exceptions.there always is. some asian women can be a nightmare for any man. but in general, in the asian culture, the hierarchy in the family is such that women are more submissive to men than here in america. there is more of an emphasis on the woman playing the role of caretaker or traditional housewife. i was talking about this cultural difference that i believe creates a kind of subtle selflessness that i find so appealing in the age of everyone only caring about themselves.



they make enough money to get out of their own financial troubles. if they have such a big debt that they can not take care of with their income, they have self-control issues that are beyond my reach. this would immediately set off an alarm for me. time to bail...



i appreciate all the support as well as your warnings.

play safe and play smart or don't play at all.
but you gotta be in it to win it!

btw, cantinflas, yes i use this handle on the other board as well. and yes, i did my homework. i like to be prepared.

 

[lurponnodleds]

I dated a korean girl out of Durae 54 for a while a few years back. She was good fun and I figured why not get for free what I had been paying for?

The key IMHO is to not get too wrapped up in it and recognize it for what it is........

 

[The Oracle]

Why do certain people pursue relationships with KMP girls. Hmm... My theories.

1. Idolization.
These girls are really nothing special compared to regular women, yet they gain notoriety and reputations that precede them. Some guys want to get that trophy.

2. White Knight
These girls are in situations that society deems to be pitiful. Some guys have a white knight complex and want to save them from their situations.

3. Anti-Social
Many guys who frequent the KMP's are anti-social. They have a hard time meeting girls through normal avenues. Can you think of another convenient way to meet girls one on one? Add to that the issue of sex is taken care of from the beginning.

 

[Turkini]

Great points from both parties

 

[coolblues]

Hi Chosen1,

This reply is meant in the spirit of friendly debate and not to antagonize. Your answer was very well thought out but I have some counter points to bring up for the sake of the average monger reading this post who might be considering this seriously.

Q1: my responses

1)sex is better with pros.
Response...
That actually is a topic for debate. Most of these girls are masters of the BJ and the fake O and a particular set sex routine. This is not necessarily the best sex experience to me, but everyone has their own taste. The girls are beautiful and maybe for some are hotter than some of us can score in a normal situation.

2)the 'distressed amp worker with tons of baggage' card has been overplayed. sometimes its less commitment and less baggage to date a working girl.

Response...
If it is just play, that's true, anything more I think you might discover that usually the profession is the result of baggage and misguided decisions, typically on a scale much more serious than the average person experiences in a lifetime.

3)some hobbyists have more in common with some working girls than civilians
Response...
In what sense? I think hobbyist and providers arrive here from different starting points and are seeking different things from the encounter. Culturally, ethnically, socioeconomically, and linguistically I don't think this is something in common for most dudes reading this thread. Maybe something else might be the source of connection but you will need to get pretty close to know that, not sure that is possible in a simple playing around situation.

4)not enough/no asians in their social circle. asian women really know how to take care of their men if you get into their circle of trust.

This is a real easy fix- date civilian Asian women from dating sites....

Asian women know how to take care of their men? I think that might be a stereotype that might not pan out in a lot of situations.

I agree with most of your Q2 points and especially this last statement.

"the key is to find the ones that are loyal to people, not material things. and providing for them what money can't buy.

being a responsible gentleman, not being generous with your wallet, is the way to please women. isn't THAT chick basics 101?"

But I do think most of these girls are in a bind financially. You might feel a little impotent when you start to care and you can't do something about the things money is desperately needed for.

All of that said. I do love these women! I actually hope they find nice people like you, chosen1, before all the players get to them and make them skeptical of a good man's motives and unable to reap the benefits of having a real friend.

I think Cantin's qualifications are also to be heeded.

Of course there are always exceptions and YMMV so if you have the skills and the heart for it, it might be worth the ride. We are risk takers in the game so there definitely is reason for the appeal and it does satisfy that curiosity.

Just my two cents...

 

[Emily Gerardi]

If you are the same CHOSEN1 from the other board, I guess you did your homework. If not, well said anyway.

We will always do what's considered forbidden anyway, so seeing them in a relaxed atmosphere is just taking another step, same as with a civilian. But there are some risks involved and if you don't have your wits about you, you maybe in for a long ride. There are quite a few good stories and then there are some bad ones.
Just do what you think is good for you.

TCB Baby, TCB

 

[Gratefuldeadhead111]

yeah, that works if you're trying to please a materialistic woman. but there are plenty of other ways to impress kgals (or any other type) without the use of $. its called character/personality. the guys that buy amp women stuff to score points are suckers. if the amp gal really liked you, you wouldn't need to buy her shit to get her panties wet. plus, they have enough money to buy those things for themselves anyway.

for example, i called an kmp friend one time and was told that she was resting at home bc she was too sick to work. i could tell in her voice that she was really not doing well. without her asking, i told her i was going to take her to the doctor's office. picked her up, took her to the doctor, and got her treated(she paid). picked up some takeout kfood (i paid) and and took her back to her home. a week or so later, she took me out to dinner and we spent the night at her place, treating me like a king, thanking me for being there when she needed help. i didn't do what i did bc i wanted to get laid. i just helped a friend that was in need. she appreciated that, and that made her want to please me even more.

the key is to find the ones that are loyal to people, not material things. and providing for them what money can't buy.

being a responsible gentleman, not being generous with your wallet, is the way to please women. isn't THAT chick basics 101?