Have you got the Vaccine

[Mav]

Got 2nd shot already last week, was down with fever and headache for 2 days. Then absolutely all fine from then on. Will be happy to avoid masks after 2 weeks

Oh ya? Where do you live? They havent changed that here in Ontario yet.

It's funny, your second shot sounds like me with my first. Hardly anything on my second. Just the weight off my shoulders and the anticipation of getting out and travelling building!

It's a much better feeling than scouring the dark web for anti-vax ideology and spamming it here. Way better things that we will be allowed to do that these children will not be able to.... their FREEDOM is going to cost them just that.... freedom.

 

[nasty15]

Oh ya? Where do you live? They havent changed that here in Ontario yet.

It's funny, your second shot sounds like me with my first. Hardly anything on my second. Just the weight off my shoulders and the anticipation of getting out and travelling building!

It's a much better feeling than scouring the dark web for anti-vax ideology and spamming it here. Way better things that we will be allowed to do that these children will not be able to.... their FREEDOM is going to cost them just that.... freedom.

Ontario only. Looks like you have not read the updated Health guidelines for Fully Vaccinated people:

Public Health Agency of Canada releases guidance on what fully vaccinated can do

The Public Health Agency of Canada says people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 can have dinner together inside someone's house without having to keep their distance or wear a mask.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Mav]

Ontario only. Looks like you have not read the updated Health guidelines for Fully Vaccinated people:

Public Health Agency of Canada releases guidance on what fully vaccinated can do

The Public Health Agency of Canada says people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 can have dinner together inside someone's house without having to keep their distance or wear a mask.

www.ctvnews.ca

That’s in a private setting, I’m sorry,
I thought you were referring to public settings. Pretty much all stores will still have the mask requirement. As will public transit, airports and planes etc etc. It will be interesting to hear when the province makes masks optional as a whole. I wonder if it will be the honour system like the states.

cause you know, everyone tells the truth!

 

[altaguetta]

He got the vaccine too. Now he's dead...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1410240753352253441

 

[altaguetta]

Maybe your children shouldn't be guinea pigs for Bill Gates. He won't pay her a cent.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409704740213166080

 

[stripfan]

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Maybe your children shouldn't be guinea pigs for Bill Gates. He won't pay her a cent.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409704740213166080

At her age, she would have quickly recovered if she got covid, especially if given Ivermectin. A very poor exchange of risks and benefits. Her stupid parents will probably have her sign one of those "death with dignity" forms.

 

[jimmyd]

Oh ya? Where do you live? They havent changed that here in Ontario yet.

It's funny, your second shot sounds like me with my first. Hardly anything on my second. Just the weight off my shoulders and the anticipation of getting out and travelling building!

It's a much better feeling than scouring the dark web for anti-vax ideology and spamming it here. Way better things that we will be allowed to do that these children will not be able to.... their FREEDOM is going to cost them just that.... freedom.

Do you have proof of vaccination? What will differentiate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated?


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[sy barite]

... If it was all about making money, then why would they care how their drug is used as long as a they're lining their pockets?

To answer your question from purely a "devil's advocate stance", I'd say it's possibly because Ivermectin costs a buck a dose and they've embarked on a search for a cure drug which will be much more expensive?

I think the censorship has has to do with a lot of the above. The general consensus is that there haven't been enough studies and there is little evidence to show that ivermectin works. So saying that it does is misinformation which leads to vaccine hesitancy, especially if it's coming from a doctor. Once actual studies are done, ( I believe a large scale one is being carried out in the UK right now) if results are positive, only then can it be used as an effective form of treatment.

Since when is science done by general consensus? Are you saying you'd be ok with credentialed and respected doctors and scientists being censored and muzzled because they don't have scientific studies backing up their claims or even their musings? Is that the yardstick we are now going to use, cuz that seems pretty stifling and draconian to me.

I saw a clip this morning of Robert Strang, Nova Scotia's chief medical officer, in which he says that rules limiting public gatherings are still needed, "in order to stop the spread of misinformation". How have we reached the point where that sentiment is acceptable??? I really believe this is only possible because modern day folks do not understand the value of their civic freedoms and how difficult it was to win them.

 

[sy barite]

Do you have proof of vaccination? What will differentiate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated?


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I assumed the automated gov't email you get constituted proof of vaccination, since it has your personal info and says "second dose".

 

[jimmyd]

I assumed the automated gov't email you get constituted proof of vaccination, since it has your personal info and says "second dose".

Oh ok, I didn’t know that was valid, since it can be faked.
I wonder if anyone will enforce these measures. Doesn’t seem to be happening in the US. But we have a different system here. I assume there will be many legal challenges in both directions.


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[OppaiLover]

Since when is science done by general consensus? Are you saying you'd be ok with credentialed and respected doctors and scientists being censored and muzzled because they don't have scientific studies backing up their claims or even their musings? Is that the yardstick we are now going to use, cuz that seems pretty stifling and draconian to me.

Umm, scientific consensus is a thing. It always has been.

Trump is respected by many and when with zero proof, he suggested ingesting bleach/disinfectant could be a potential solution, many people took his word as gospel. People were hospitalized and states fielded hundreds of emergency hotline calls from people calling to double-check.

People in positions of power have to be careful with how they address certain things, especially when there is no scientific evidence to back up their claims. If people on random forums want to spread misinformation then that's fine. But if you don't believe that people who hold influence should be held to a higher standards, then we have very different views on what is actually considered draconian.

 

[sy barite]

Umm, scientific consensus is a thing. It always has been.

Trump is respected by many and when with zero proof, he suggested ingesting bleach/disinfectant could be a potential solution, many people took his word as gospel. People were hospitalized and states fielded hundreds of emergency hotline calls from people calling to double-check.

People in positions of power have to be careful with how they address certain things, especially when there is no scientific evidence to back up their claims. If people on random forums want to spread misinformation then that's fine. But if you don't believe that people who hold influence should be held to a higher standards, then we have very different views on what is actually considered draconian.

With respect, "no" to both these statements.

Scientific inquiry is never done by consensus. Of course it is possible to reach a consensus among scientists on any given question. For example, the scientific consensus is that the theories of evolution and gravity are most probably correct, but we don't stop inquiring into either of these fields. In a way, science is the process of questioning and finding what's wrong with what we thought we knew. The current attitudes on the big social media platforms are detrimental to this process and not good.

As for Trump and bleach....ok, you're going to believe what you believe and I don't want to get into yet another argument again, but I watched his comments live and in my opinion you have to take the most uncharitable stance possible and interpret his words completely out of context to maintain he told people to inject themselves with bleach. This is not me saying that Trump was the old sage on the mountain, it's me saying that you seem to have been duped by media reports along with millions of others, including members of my own family who just shake their heads and picture me with a MAGA hat when I make these points to them.

 

[OppaiLover]

With respect, "no" to both these statements.

Scientific inquiry is never done by consensus. Of course it is possible to reach a consensus among scientists on any given question. For example, the scientific consensus is that the theories of evolution and gravity are most probably correct, but we don't stop inquiring into either of these fields. In a way, science is the process of questioning and finding what's wrong with what we thought we knew. The current attitudes on the big social media platforms are detrimental to this process and not good.

As for Trump and bleach....ok, you're going to believe what you believe and I don't want to get into yet another argument again, but I watched his comments live and in my opinion you have to take the most uncharitable stance possible and interpret his words completely out of context to maintain he told people to inject themselves with bleach. This is not me saying that Trump was the old sage on the mountain, it's me saying that you seem to have been duped by media reports along with millions of others, including members of my own family who just shake their heads and picture me with a MAGA hat when I make these points to them.

Firstly, I'm not sure what scientific inquiry has to do with a consensus. Science is all about inquiry, yes, but unless some evidence is provided to back up a claim, then it means squat. Once other scientists test said inquiry and the results are proven, then a general consensus is formed. You can't go making claims about certain things based on an inquiry that hasn't been substantiated.

In terms of Trump, I never said he told people to drink or ingest bleach. I said he suggested that it may be a solution, which he did. And while you may be intelligent enough to know that it's a stupid solution, there were many people that believed him. And if for a second you say he didn't suggest it might be an option worth exploring, you've pretty much lying to yourself and I can understand why your family pictures you that way.

 

[jimmyd]

Umm, scientific consensus is a thing. It always has been.

Trump is respected by many and when with zero proof, he suggested ingesting bleach/disinfectant could be a potential solution, many people took his word as gospel. People were hospitalized and states fielded hundreds of emergency hotline calls from people calling to double-check.

People in positions of power have to be careful with how they address certain things, especially when there is no scientific evidence to back up their claims. If people on random forums want to spread misinformation then that's fine. But if you don't believe that people who hold influence should be held to a higher standards, then we have very different views on what is actually considered draconian.

He never suggested anyone should ingest bleach/disinfectant. The people who did inject these chemicals are morons.
And the famous case of the woman who fed her husband fish tank cleaner was investigated for homicide.


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[altaguetta]

He never suggested anyone should ingest bleach/disinfectant. The people who did inject these chemicals are morons.
And the famous case of the woman who fed her husband fish tank cleaner was investigated for homicide.


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It's mind boggling people still spend time on discussing Trump and the drinking bleach story.

Why not spend time on discussing why Fauci thought it was wortwhile doing gain- of-function research in a Chinese Lab which was infamous for accidents. Oh, by the way China is an enemy. Supposedly.

(Gain-of-function studies involve altering pathogens to make them more transmissible in order to learn more about how they might mutate.)

People are fucking stupid.

What was the impact of drinking bleach by morons???

What was the impact of Fauci pursuing gain-of-function research in CHINA???

 

[altaguetta]

Mind control is REAL!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1410295686709514240

 

[sy barite]

Firstly, I'm not sure what scientific inquiry has to do with a consensus. Science is all about inquiry, yes, but unless some evidence is provided to back up a claim, then it means squat. Once other scientists test said inquiry and the results are proven, then a general consensus is formed. You can't go making claims about certain things based on an inquiry that hasn't been substantiated.

In terms of Trump, I never said he told people to drink or ingest bleach. I said he suggested that it may be a solution, which he did. And while you may be intelligent enough to know that it's a stupid solution, there were many people that believed him. And if for a second you say he didn't suggest it might be an option worth exploring, you've pretty much lying to yourself and I can understand why your family pictures you that way.

You've parsed your words so that I can't be sure of their meaning.

My point is simple. Reaching a consensus on a question of science is wholly different from carrying out scientific inquiry. If you punish someone for discussing or looking into an idea, that's bad. Surely we can agree on that.

On Trump, you said "he suggested ingesting bleach/disinfectant could be a potential solution ". I don't see a great difference between that statement and telling people to ingest bleach. In any case, neither is true.

 

[sy barite]

Mind control is REAL!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1410295686709514240

This is the clip I referred to earlier. Anyone who doubts how biased and utterly corrupt the news media is today should ask themselves what the reaction would have been if Trump said these same words.

 

[snoopdoggie]

Mike Tyson has a message for you.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409782464227299328

Like I'm really going to let a Dumbell like Tyson influence me. Fat chance. And Dumb t-shirt. God gave us the gift of intelligence to develop vaccines. He didn't give us the talent to just sit there and do nothing, and pretend the virus will go away by itself. Let's not insult God by wearing this stupid t-shirt.

 

[snoopdoggie]

He never suggested anyone should ingest bleach/disinfectant. The people who did inject these chemicals are morons.
And the famous case of the woman who fed her husband fish tank cleaner was investigated for homicide.


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You can deny it all you want, you can't change people's minds. I don't know where you were when Drunk Trump did this, and I don't care. But hiding the truth and pretending it never happened, won't change anything.