POLL; Who is responsible for not finishing early?

[duck]

The only way the time management is a shared responsibility
is if the client takes an unusal time to finsih. For example,
more that 15 min. It is absolutely necessary for the client
to tell the mpa this information. In my experience, I would say,
95% of the customers finish in less than 3 minutes. Seriously.
Of course, you know you are a good mpa when this percentage
occurs. If you constantly have clients that don't finish
or take to long to finish you have either:

a) turned them off
b) have no idea what you are doing
c) you look like Boy George
d) nothing to do with mpa, (client is nervous, paranoid etc...)
e) client was expecting something else

If you leave enough time for the finish, and the client finishes
early, there is a simple solution. Hey, massage his back again.
Those rock hard knots that were there before the finsih, are
almost like butter now, and the hands and fingers love to
be massaged as well. I love the look of suprise on a client's
face when I say, "We have time left, let me do your back again".

What's hard to overcome, is when you leave lots of time for the
finish, the client say's, "No not yet, I am quick" and he
pushes your hand away, you massage another body part, you
have less time now and you go for the finish again, and hear,
"Please, not yet, I only take a minute". So after this continually being said, you just do as he asks. Now it's down
to the wire, you start, 3 minutes, 6 minutes, now ten minutes
over time, no finish. "Don't worry, it's coming". Mpa is
frustrated, because depending on the management, you may
get in s**t, scratching on door, note slipped under door,
or a lecture from management once you leave the room.
"Your late" shouts management. You were 40 minutes in the room.
It was a half hour session." Mpa - "Sorry, but I was trying
to get him to finish, it was close...but I didn't want to leave
him hanging". Management - "If the client does not finsih in
your session time then that's his problem!"

Of course, this was in the beginning of my mpa days, and I
avoid those "who cares about the client" attitude MP's. Because
those places evenutally close down, no repeat clients, and
the tried and true MP with repeat clientele are places that
don't hassel you for being a little late coming out of the room.
And vice versa, coming early out of the room. Sometimes, very
rarely, the client just wants 15 minutes. He is rushed, has an
appt. or whatever, but Management thinks your ripping him off.
But that's probably just from too much experience dealing
with rip-off mpa's. Managing some mpa'a is no treat either.
Hopefully, a level-headed Manager knows that to give trust first,
then if proven wrong, fine. But to judge everyone the same,
due to past experience, is not good either.

Any suggestions?

 

[theymademedoit]

3 minutes ?!

Fuck, sometimes I've looked at the clock with 5 minutes to go, knowing I was 10 minutes to finish and asked the MPA to stop out of guilt....

Maybe it's old age creeping in... or maybe Mr Happy really DOES have a mind of his own...

Overall I too believe it's a shared responsibility, although I'd say it's 70/30 in favour of the MPA coz they're "managing a business."

If you went to the Dentist office for a 45 minute appt, you can be damn sure they're watching the clock, coz time = $$$$ and the next patient is outside....

 

[Pompal 09.]

Satan's Foreskin is the name of Poolio's band.

I'm trying to help the two of you out because Poolio is kind shy to make the first move, and you wont tell him where you work, so the only way for you two to meet is if you go check out Poolio's band Satan's Foreskin.

 

[crc]

I'll call the Swimming Pool.

 

[shadow_nochbvolk]

f) Your MP is located next to an old age home and the pension checks arrived today !

VBB - the 5% minority and proud of it !!!

 

[TruthTeller]

Aaaah yes, the facade

such as ? ... the only Jazz I listen to right now is St Germain, which I was alerted to in one of those lounge music threads. Not 'lounge music' ... you know what I mean ... and a john Coltrane CD that someone weirdo gave me.

Man, if only the MPA's I see could be so lucky. : (

You have been officially invited by the artist who conceives the circus of Rusty's brain

 

[Summer]

Red S,

Like this : : )

uh huh

If there were any doubt in my mind that you are strange before, now I'm positive : ) : ) : ) : ) : )

guys ... pfffft.

yeah, it was an after thought. If only ya coulda "heard" the after thoughts from my last post : )

Unfortunately some of us may have suppressed, hidden or built walls with regard to sensitivity [to ourselves and others] in life and particularly in the realm of the net, which is a partial reflection of life. I don't think that is always such a good thing, so just keep on truckin' and if there's ever any doubt feel free to call me on it - I know you will.

My appy polly loggies for all the quoting, but it makes things a little clearer. Besides, it reminds me of my long lost gay lover; picky. I'm weird; sometimes I feel like being long winded and sometimes I don't - both can be as passionate, but which is more lucid, I'm not sure.


Jazz,

I think we've been together too long, Jazz. We even think alike ... in some cases :

 

[Pompal 09.]

Okay Pool, why is there a quote under my name about Jazz music
re: St. Germaine) when I never wrote that. How is there a quote
with my name that I never said.

Okay, the second quote, about being asked by the artist is mine.
But the first quote is not mine. Explain.

 

[Kyle 13]

Overall, yes, a shared responsibility. If there is something
that cannot be known by the mpa, like amount of time required
to finish, an input is essential.

Indian Lover, a question, if you please. Was your first ever
massages the same situation. Same amount of time to finish.
Is there a tolerance eventually to the same method. I would
think the answer is yes, but then again, guys see different
mpa's so I would think the time varies with new girls.

 

[Michelle G]

RS , man, it seems I have a lotta explaining to do of late : ) Sorry, I submitted reply and then got distracted. It should make sense now.

 

[Taylor]

Poolie;

You should also include "Who Are You" on red vinyl no less (collector's edition form 1978), which was, I believe, the last album with Keith Moon playing. Who's Next was a great one, as well. I may have others in my vinyl collection, such as "A Quick One" with 'Happy Jack' and "Sell Out" with 'Odorono'.

Wow, you lived in Leeds! That is awesome. When did you live there?

Now, back to the thread. It is a shared responsibility. There are too may variables that it is a complex problem. For example, the client may have too much on his mind, or his blood sugar is way too high or low, or he may be on a new antideppressant. The MPA doesn't have all this information unless the client tells her. Or, maybe the MPA s having a bad day, or something very serious is on her mind.

The bottom line is, no one can put the blame on any one for delayed or failed finishes. We are only human, and the best thing to do is to treat eaachother with respect and as much affection as possible. My regular MPA has been extremely understanding and supportive, just like my significant other!

shakenbake

 

[tlk2ul8r]

Thanks for fixing that. Crossed wires or something?

 

[sammyy772]

Thanks Poolie. It's great when you quote, definately clearer.

Let me try the smilie.

 

[yahoo-userx]

agreed shakenbake. I was trying to give Red Stiletto, the most concise but encompassing overview.

lol I lived there from abt 1968-1970. I also lived in Glasgow, Bristol, Sheffield, London and Newcastle : )

 

[Terra G]

You could certainly say that : )

Which reminds me, Jazz is chi sin, not just weird.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Ah, a Brit! I am Italian by extraction, and I admire the British. They are, as far as I am concerned, the successors to the Roman Empire. You Brits are so much like us Italians, it scares me. And, you can see the similarities when that false Stiff Upper Lip facade is stripped away! : )

 

[Raven F]

Poolio and Red Stiletto sitting in an MP, L-F-K-I-N-G
First comes the nude reverse, then comes the bodyslide, then comes the shower, finishing up with the two of them sitting in the office posting on massageplanet.net within the hour

 

[Jack Mehoff]

They say It takes two hands to clap, and I think it's true.
There are rules and guidlines for everything we do, whether it be
arriving to work on time to stupid traffic laws where we can't make
a turn on a red. The point is, attendants have in-house rules
that they abide to, if they go over the time- they are the ones that
get the ear full from the owners (of course the client does not see/hear
this-nor is it their business).
I'm sure many of you have gone to work late and get shitted on by ur boss (as if someone pissed on their cornflakes) same applies. It's easy to judge from a clients view but it's not to say that the attendant is "all right" under the circumstance. Some (mpa) are at fault for not going into the session on time and do tend to rush the session which makes the client feel they were ripped off and didn't get their $$$ worth.
This is the reason why there are options for either a 30min, 45min or 60min sessions. So if ur a minute-man but feel you want the urge to play some more, then hey,go with the 45 or 60 min sessions- cuz no one put a gun to ur head remember.

Another point I forgot to mention is that many guys are pissed at and hate the fact that LE are always staking out in the parking lot outside their fav spas, well this issue is probably PART of the reason (not the major reason) as to why they're in the area watching at times. If a licensed Spa is to be closed at a certain time and the pigs see cars still outside- 30-45min after they were SUPPOSE to be closed (even though the neon lights are out) it gives them the wrong idea of the spa.

 

[Red Dragon]

I glad that you pointed those things out Batista. It's very
true, there is alot of pressure. I have met owners that I
swear, have some serious issues. I have met owners that were
born to manage, born to understand the industry and the perils
of the industry that both client and mpa face.

I remember one time, several years ago. It was my first couple
of days at that spa. To finish the session, I went over about 7-8 min.
When I got out of the room, the owner comes to me and says:
"Your late, I want you out of the room within the time of the
session"
"Oh sorry, I was trying to complete the massage, we ran a touch
over time, then we talked for a minute inside the room, weather,
traffic..etc"
"Don't let it happen again"
"Sorry, thanks for telling me your rules now"
Couple of days later

"Sir, I'm sorry, but i've been trying for some time now, I
really need to make you happy, but I'm supposed to finish on time"
Of course, no client wants to hear that. It's rude. But again,
the pressure your feeling from your boss has you wondering
about your job security. You have just gone through all the
time with getting a license, police papers, Dr.'s note etc...
and besides, you like the spa, you like the girls etc..

Owner:" Your client just complained that you rushed him to finish."
I am speechless, does this person have daily amnesia?
Me: "But you told me to not run over the time, just yesterday,
so that's what I am doing, what you told me to do"
Owner: "No, I told you not to go over time"
Now, I know I am dealing with a lunatic
Me: So please explain, what is your solution.
Owner: Start your finish, when you walk into the room.
Me: Um..Yeah...Can I have my license...I'm not interested
in your delusions and your idea of what is a massage. If you
are trying to lose customers, you are on the right track!
Okay cool, if your customer says please finish first, so I
can enjoy the massage after. Hey, cool, whatever makes your
session enjoyable. But I think I have heard this maybe 3 times
ever. Many customers love the massage, the tease, the fantasy,
then the finish, some time for small talk etc...

I don't leave 2 min. for a finish. I like time left over to do
hands, feet, or back again. I think it's a great ending for
a massage. But ofcourse, the above scenario is not horribly
common, but for as many strange owners, there are many great
owners, and for as many great mpa's, there are many bad, who
ruin it for the rest. As anything in life I guess.

 

[Ashille]

It was a great link. Then I stumbled on to a link
of Canadian Tribute Bands. There are several, I probably
could have read all night, but the Tina Turner Tribute
would be interesting to catch. Even the Rolling Stone band.
Regardless, I'm going to get the Then & Now. And maybe,
a Jazz CD. I don't know what...but I never got the chance
to just listen to it in silence. It was always in some
restaurant or overheard outdoors somewhere.

Thanks for the suggestions.