Opinion Why do MPA's expect 10$ or more for tip for basic massage with no HE?

[Mav]

i am that cheap. I give the industry stand tips.

Yes, there are cheap customers out there, that's why i said negotiate the tips first to avoid confrontation.

Confused. You made it sound like it was you. So it wasn’t an admission, just a statement that you are as cheap as the OP?

 

[krayjee]

Me too
Do you know if she ever worked at Health Hub as Cici?

No idea about health hub. Never asked her that.

 

[krayjee]

Confused. You made it sound like it was you. So it wasn’t an admission, just a statement that you are as cheap as the OP?

Don't waste your time arguing with that kid. You won't get anywhere. He is a bit abnormal.

 

[Mav]

No idea about health hub. Never asked her that.

Ok, I’ve been wondering where she went. She used to be one of my favs 3-4 years ago. Loved her red lipstick and fun haircut. Gorgeous

 

[cupcrazy]

Don't waste your time arguing with that kid. You won't get anywhere. He is a bit abnormal.

You are an idiot, krayjee. This is coming from a guy who said he Isa kind person. Thr person who actually told thr spa to fire the old mpas. Do you have too much time on your hands? Go find more spas to promote.

Confused. You made it sound like it was you. So it wasn’t an admission, just a statement that you are as cheap as the OP?

I was speaking from thr perspective why certain customers pay so little tips. Tips is considered as gratitude not used as salary. Spas should add the 10 dollars tips to thr total costs to avoid disappointment from both side.

If thr girls don't like thr compensation structure, they can go work in other Jobs.

 

[krayjee]

Kid... let me repeat this again.
Listen more and talk less if you want to become somebody in here, otherwise you are just making a fool of yourself. You may not know it but other guys with common sense see it. you lack common sense..period.

 

[cupcrazy]

Kid... let me repeat this again.
Listen more and talk less if you want to become somebody in here, otherwise you are just making a fool of yourself. You may not know it but other guys with common sense see it. you lack common sense..period.

Yes, I hear you. I don't need to be somebody here. I will continue act the way I I. Unlike somebody here sucking up on bosses and mpas to get perks. If you don't like my point of views you can put me on ignore.

Remember this is a free market. Nobody is forcing the girls to work in the spas or whatever job. Waiter and waitress cannot guarantee how much tips they will receive from customers.

Kid... let me repeat this again.
Listen more and talk less if you want to become somebody in here, otherwise you are just making a fool of yourself. You may not know it but other guys with common sense see it. you lack common sense..period.

Yes I heard you many times I don't care how people think of me on here. I sat whatever I want to say. If you find my comments bulletin, then move on. At least I am not like somebody who has suck up to bosses or exaggerated about thr mpas here to get perks in return.

To say customers will get good value for good tips is false. There will be mpas who give jackhammer hj or try to rush the session. You give shitty sessions or cut the time short from half an hr to 20 minutes and expect full tips, this is not happening

 

[Dotanuki]

Ok, now I have time to break down for you what you just said. This reply is also directed to the OP as well.

You are right, $10 is 25% of $40.

The thing is that the girl isnt getting $50. She is maybe getting $20... and more than likely in this example $10. In the OP's example with his little tantrum... she gets $5.

Now, whether or not you agree with how the business is being run... do you think this is fair? A woman is doing her best, using her muscles and massaging your body for 30 minutes. Maybe you didnt think the massage was great, and thats your valid opinion as we all have had bad massages... trust me I have. But in the end, you tipping her $5 is nothing short of a slap in the face.

I am with you about the structure of the business. I don't think it is run fairly, or ethically. But, unfortunately for me and for us and most importantly for the MPA's that's the way it is done. There are many other businesses that I do not agree with their models as well. We in Ontario get charged a significant "delivery" fee for our hydro. Yet we pay our bills or we have our power cut off. We pay carbon tax on gasoline and diesel, we pay land transfer tax when we move to a new house, and for those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to afford multiple properties, we get slammed with paying capital gains tax when we sell one, which is a hugely significant number. We pay for those things. Are they fair? Nope. Are they money grabs? YEP.

Now, OP, you say that you are not a rich guy, so your money is very important to you and how you spend it matters to you. I understand that. I spent a big chunk of my life in that situation so I can relate. Maybe this hobby isnt for you then. I want you to think about her side too though. I can almost guarantee that in your head you think that she makes a ton of money. I assure you she doesnt. She is probably in the same situation as you. If your $5 matters to you, it matters just as much to her. So that is why she had the reaction that she had to you not wanting to tip. There are two sides to every situation. You may not have the funds (again, im going by what you said only, not being judgmental in any way) because you are working yourself in an unfairly compensated career. If thats the case, maybe try to reflect on how someone in whatever work situation you are in attempts to cut back your earning potential. That would probably upset you too right?

My last point is this. You went to a place that is set up to provide massage with extras, expecting to get a good regular massage for cheap. Sometimes you get lucky and get someone with legit skills who is working those places because they can make more money by providing a little extra or have more foot traffic. Most of the time the massage portion is secondary however. That was your big mistake. I understand wanting a good massage, actually that is 100% my thing too, and I often get disappointed, you can read about it in my reviews here too.... but I would never take money away from someone who is working hard to earn a living. Regardless of the quality, I always would tip the minimum... and if it was better I would tip accordingly. If a good massage is all you want, it has been mentioned that you should go to a legit place then. MayBlossom has a bunch of locations, and they dont expect extras tip $. I'm sure there are lots of others people can mention too. Those places tend to have more fair payment systems for the girls, as the extras are not available and that tip money isnt being paid. This visit should have been somewhere like that.

If you continue with this type of attitude towards women in this industry, especially now knowing their circumstance... I think you will find it isnt the hobby for you. Burning bridges will only lead to you having poor visits, and thus wasting your hard earned money. Treat them nice, and they return the favour. That doesnt mean you have to be extravagant by any means, it just means understanding the system, adjust your budget accordingly, and enjoy yourself.

Well said and evenly stated.

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[Dotanuki]

I will say this for the record. The semilegit world is the greyzone of sexwork. The bottom line it's the women's decision to make. Do legit and deal with the manager RE room rates vs gratuity. Legit as defined as non RMT massage.

She should keep in mind that if the hour rate at a spa is 50 or less then she should have enough sense to know what the expectations are. And be prepared to do a lot of massage to make money. Anyone who's done real massage will know even half an hour is work.

Conversely if she decides to do sexwork (regardless of level). Learn to negotiate PRIOR to giving of services. This notion of making it seem spontaneous only leads to disappointment. Sex work is WORK.



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[OG_funguy]

next time negotiate the tips first before proceeding with HE. Maybe krayjee should sent her to Blue Nile instead.

And how many times do we hear that guys hate when MPAs bring up tips beforehand because it kills the mood...anyways, this is exactly why they do it, smh.

 

[OG_funguy]

Looks to me like one cheap ass went to Just Relax on Wednesday and tip only $10 to one of the best and prettiest masseuse after getting a good massage and HJ.
It was a slow day at JR , the girl got so upset and left the spa after that guy in early afternoon. I hope she doesn't quit just bcuz of this cheap mthrfkr. Why the fuck is this mothrfkr keep going to semi legit places if he is so cheap? Why not go to Mayblossom or other legit places? He wants to get massaged by young girls but doesn't want to tip. What an asshole!!
The girl told me she always treats everyone with respect and gives the best massage and makes sure her customer is happy and this was the first time she ever got only $10 tip . I felt so sorry for her and I spent a few minutes chatting with her to make her feel better. She works as Cici at Superior during the lockdown and she was one of the best I have ever had and I was the one suggested her to work at JR. At one time she even came in to massage me for my very late appointment at 10:30 pm at Superior. Those who had seen her at Superior know how good she was. I told the receptionist Annie to ban that cheap ass from the spa like I had done when I was working at the front desk at JR. I always tell those cheap asses nobody was free whenever they called or walked in. I told one guy blunt..sorry sir no girls wants to see you.

Ok, it's true whoever did this is a cheap ass but you don't know for sure it was the OP...

BTW, another guy tried to do the same thing with Ella at Ellagance recently...guys, please stop with the $10-20 tips nonsense when you are getting a massage and HE.

 

[krayjee]

Ok, it's true whoever did this is a cheap ass but you don't know for sure it was the OP...

BTW, another guy tried to do the same thing with Ella at Ellagance recently...guys, please stop with the $10-20 tips nonsense when you are getting a massage and HE.

That's why I said ONE cheap ass.

 

[OG_funguy]

That's why I said ONE cheap ass.

My bad...

 

[cupcrazy]

And how many times do we hear that guys hate when MPAs bring up tips beforehand because it kills the mood...anyways, this is exactly why they do it, smh.

I see what you are saying. I am pretty sure some guys hate it when there are hidden fees at the end (tips). To say including the tips in the massage Fee doesn't work is ludicrous. Look at spas like flirt, muse massage, etc. They included thr tips in their room fees. They are still here today.


We are also assuming that everybody who walk into a spa already knows the tipping structure. Yes there are cheap people out there. At the end of the day we are in a free market enterprise. Negotiate the price first to avoid disappointment.

 

[BmH6769]

Many years ago, one girl I met at a Scarborough holi spa told me. The guy stay for 30 mins, she gave him rmt type massage (she’s a certified masseuse) for 20 mins, ask the guy to flip, the guy came already. As you all know, at holi spa, you popped = you’re done. She stills cleaned him up but the guy just get dress and start to leave without paying tips. When she ask, the guy said “it’s your (the mpa) fault”, cos she dresses too sexy. WTF!?
There’s so many cheap bastards out there you can not believe.
A lot of these girls, semi or holi depends on tips to survive, they got debts to paid, mouth to feed.
So do your research b4 you go out to a spa. Stop acting like you’re some big shot customers but in reality you’re just looking for cheap thrills without paying extra.
It’s 2021 FFS, all the info are on the internet

 

[krayjee]

I see what you are saying. I am pretty sure some guys hate it when there are hidden fees at the end (tips). To say including the tips in the massage Fee doesn't work is ludicrous. Look at spas like flirt, muse massage, etc. They included thr tips in their room fees. They are still here today.


We are also assuming that everybody who walk into a spa already knows the tipping structure. Yes there are cheap people out there. At the end of the day we are in a free market enterprise. Negotiate the price first to avoid disappointment.

Flirt . Muse , Perla, they are body rub spas. It's all inclusive price . We're talking semi legit.
Listen more talk less.

 

[luvdafurburger]

It boggles my mind that guys would expect someone to break their arms and backs massaging them for an hour and then whack of their greasy smegma smelling dicks for $10.
Look at a typical fs place: $40 hh for the spa and $100 to $140 for the tip. How does that work into 25%?!
A HJ is $40 tip ffs. If that's too much stay home.

 

[JL2]

I never try to negotiate tip rates, I would also not go to an mpa looking for just a massage. There's legit massage places for that (if you have benefits) if you don't, well go buy one of those massagers on amazon for like 50$. If you are just going because you want something nice to look at while you get a massage, then you should also tip for what you see, same as a strip club.

I would be so embarrassed to give a 10$ tip. A recent experience of mine was going to a spa with the amount in cash I was used to paying pre-covid, and the girl offered a body slide which I wasn't thinking about getting, so I told her if she can do debit to cover the difference, and she said it's okay she will take what I have (20$ short), I came to see her again and brought that 20$ on top of the price (She has an incredible body, and the body slide is amazing, that's besides the point I suppose)

My point is, this isn't a hobby or thing you should be doing if you're broke. It's called staying in your lane. Maybe save up 5$ every month and then at the end of the year go big with a 60$ massage, idk. But don't go into a situation and try to change the way it works because it doesn't work for you, despite everyone else following along with those rules.

And people saying, "sucking up to MPAs" etc. that's just immature, since when is being a decent human being sucking up? Maybe if you tried thinking of it differently and not so entitled, 10$ wouldn't break the bank. Attitude makes a huge difference.

 

[MKostas]

That is the problem right there they are not paying the girls to work. Why should I should I be the one to supply their income? I am by no means rich and if I have extra tip money I will give it but it is in no way in hell my job to help the girls to survive!

OK. If the SPA owners did pay the girls more. Say $60-80 for 30 minutes and this included a H.E. would go to an AMP?

 

[krayjee]

I never try to negotiate tip rates, I would also not go to an mpa looking for just a massage. There's legit massage places for that (if you have benefits) if you don't, well go buy one of those massagers on amazon for like 50$. If you are just going because you want something nice to look at while you get a massage, then you should also tip for what you see, same as a strip club.

I would be so embarrassed to give a 10$ tip. A recent experience of mine was going to a spa with the amount in cash I was used to paying pre-covid, and the girl offered a body slide which I wasn't thinking about getting, so I told her if she can do debit to cover the difference, and she said it's okay she will take what I have (20$ short), I came to see her again and brought that 20$ on top of the price (She has an incredible body, and the body slide is amazing, that's besides the point I suppose)

My point is, this isn't a hobby or thing you should be doing if you're broke. It's called staying in your lane. Maybe save up 5$ every month and then at the end of the year go big with a 60$ massage, idk. But don't go into a situation and try to change the way it works because it doesn't work for you, despite everyone else following along with those rules.

And people saying, "sucking up to MPAs" etc. that's just immature, since when is being a decent human being sucking up? Maybe if you tried thinking of it differently and not so entitled, 10$ wouldn't break the bank. Attitude makes a huge difference.

The worst thing is these cheap mthrfkrs come and complained here and some even bashed the girls with bad reviews.