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[AnneC]

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[Fezzie]

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Bchain ... your favourite, lets take a look at those darling threads that you participate in with the many references to Happy Meals and Bgirl standards that are so prominent. (I warned you before about examples, I have many more)



You like to drive within the speed limit, that is why there is a passing lane on the highways. I talk with many of these woman, they all know the risk and reward and they make the choice. Anyday they could get a visit but you don't see LE making busts all the time now do you? And yet they could with the amount of material that we publish. If its going to happen it is going to happen.

My motivation lies in getting back to being a Review Board ... What is your motivation? You haven't written a review on this board for a long time. If you want to do something, lead by example and write reviews. It is not what you did yesterday, it's what you do today that counts and what you do in the future that matters.



I already commented on my motivation above.

The satisfaction comes from being appreciated for writing a review. Like I said before one comment on 300 views, it is reading that one persons comment that leaves a glow in your heart not that "high" in your mind.

I commented on pushing the limits in the spectrum.

It is possible for leaving the ego at the door, and many great things have been accomplished in history by doing just that. Your statement that it can't be left at the door means that YOU don't believe that it is possible therefore YOU can't do it nor can you believe that others can do the same. When you reach that level of enlightenment you see many things through the eyes that you have always had.

With that in mind, all your replies so far have been driven by your ego which is clearly stated in the italiced sentence. Those are your words and therefore they follow you around, even in this thread.

You ask me to accept it, but I don't see through your eyes and have from the get go not taken it personally.

That is why I bolded the very last sentence. Once again those are your words and given what you said earlier I bolded the very first sentence.

In closing ...

I have stated previously that attacking me in this manner is considered by myself "hitting below the belt" and yet you have done it again. In attacking me in this manner again you have brought more upon yourself as exposed in your own final words. Maybe the question should be directed at you:

What is your motivation in all this when you choose to attack me personally?

I don't care to hear your answer I just want to pose the question to you.

If I was harsh in my words, I am not sorry. Why should I be sorry for stating an opinion.

As I stated previously (post #89):



If I do make any further responses to this thread it is not that I am coming back to any bargaining table, that is dead, I am coming back and am not leaving something at the door, you will see a noticable difference ...

VBB

 

[young pop-eye]

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You had the name tag at least for a short while and took it off afterwards ... mine was attached to my cigarette pack and was facing downwards.

Since Ma gave me my cut I can be serious.

This is a double edged sword. We have dome nothing but better our community and if you think differently than you are a fool. There are certain dangerous characters out there who will always cross the line and create a bad name for this board due to their association, being a member counts, and because they have big mouths.

Now don't get me wrong here. I like to think of myself as one of those people that likes to test the limits and push the envelope. I am never one to play it safe, that would be boring.

If you think that SC or MP or SP are going to be closed down. Far from it. Quite frankly I think that since I started over a decade ago that we have gone through some changes and things are much better now than they were before. SC have lap dances now, provided they do cost more but let me tell you I am getting offered some good stuff out there and the woman are HOT. MP the woman are HOTTER and the sessions are much better than they were before, I was getting BS when they didn't have a name for it back then. SP just look at the competition the EE brought here and the trouble LOL, okay enough.

And finally the internet. Where from the safety of our homes we can shop around for what we are looking for. We are the sophisicated consumer, this is the cutting edge of hobbing as we know it and it will only get better.

If the LE going to stop this? I don't think so. They have to take orders from the Gov before that could happen. Trust me if you live in the GTA you will have access to what you have always had before. Yes, the LE came in and cleaned things up in EBC, EBC just moved south or are now in/outcalls.

Do we help them? Yeah it is submissable, but you going to get a member to say something in court ... it is only words, without physical proof there is no case. Try to get a judge to sign a warrant based on a massageplanet.net review.

Sure as hell there are a lot of ByLaws and more political bullshit going on but we are not going to see any dramatic and drastic changes soon. They are too busy with other things to bother with something that hardly bothers them on a regular basis.

So much to say, so many angles, so many games, somebody else take over I am tired.

VBB

 

[Gabriela Iris]

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But Pool... when the review boards first came out... the reviews weren't detailed... they weren't emotional.... they were reviews.... the privacy that the sp shared with the client was just that... the client reviewed whether or not she was worth the money... if he would repeat... if her pics were accurate or if she was as advertised... etc. Over time reviews became more emotional... client's were played - offered better services for reviews... owner's did favors for the reviews... people got fake handles... and the board became a tool... an average guy wanting to find out who's good and who's not.. impossible... how the hell would he know that when we are missing key factors such as honesty.... fairness in not divuldging handles... etc.. etc.. how can it be harnessed.... how can we be sure that the reviews are in fact written by real hobbyists.... how does the newbie know?

And then.. what to believe... shit... if everyone believed everything they've heard about me as a mp owner... I would be gay... I force girl's to work at least 4 shifts... and recently noted.. I'm a sargeant in my own place and whip the girl's if they don't follow my rules... I could go on and on... one person posts that shit.. and everyone else follows... cause the newbie doesn't know right from wrong.

One year.. I'm called 'pro-hobbyist'... the next year I'm accused of asking for the reviews to be edited because I apparently don't like the truth and the reviews must have been bad and I am afraid of it hurting my business. massageplanet.net and other review boards mold people for others. Everyone has their own assumptions of who you are Pool... Revolver... and Me.... just by what is written... This board became too political.... power was given to the wrong people.... and the board is now a tool... not a tool for those who it was meant to be for... the client who is looking to have a good time, not get ripped off, etc... but a tool for owners and clients looking for more .. alike.

Rev.... what happened to you (as you mentioned in earlier posts).... answer me this... would it have happened a few years ago? Has it ever happened here at HFH? And what's with that shit about wearing name tags at massageplanet.net parties... cmon.... how can you ask a guy to wear a name tag... go to a spa... get services from a girl and give an honest review without the services being affected by the fact that she knows exactly who he is. And when I said I don't want massageplanet.net discussed here at HFH... how many people jumped on me for that? Why?

Let's get back to the basics. Is massageplanet.net a review board? Then review. Stop sitting on the fence. Pick a side. Either you give an accurate and sound review without the favor of a blow job.. or you aren't a reviewer.

I shoulda stayed out of this thread... my fuckin filter is gone again

of course... this is just my personal opinion.. not to say it's right or wrong.. but I'm a coug.... and I've seen boards come and go.. posters too... lol... shit I got in this business when many of the ladies on this board were still playin with barbie dolls... but hey... I got a big mouth... and I'll probably suffer for it... but at least I have the guts to say exactly how I feel and take the punishment *S*

 

[? k y k y ?]

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Well said Kayla, I totally concur. I think my review of Jessica was tasteful and informative, I hope I didn't step over any boundaries!

 

[trent.]

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Ok, I am going to offer my 2 cent here. I think one of the reasons why MPAs dislike massageplanet.net guys (actually I am told this by a few MPAs... so I shouldn't say I think. I KNOW) is that some bad apples would go to the spa, see some attendants for their first time, then making some unreasonable "extra" requests and threaten to post negative reviews on massageplanet.net if the MPAs wouldn't comply! They are using massageplanet.net reviews as their weapon of assault! It is not hard to imagine why the MPAs have all these negativities around massageplanet.netytes. I would be pissed off too!

 

[David V]

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Go figure. Talking on a review board. Pfff....

www.prettygirl2touchp*nis.com

 

[Tori ?????]

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This is from my perspective.

Sometimes reviews are just plain too explicit and some guys take everything said as being standard service. I've met you VBB and you are a good looking guy and I can see that some of the ladies might be willing to push the boundaries a little bit with you.

YMMV in our case is very well understood and both you and Rev will not push things with the ladies if you suspect that she's uncomfortable. We understand that boundary so do many massageplanet.netites. But there are a few assholes out there that wont take no for an answer. That is the danger line that the MOD's have to try and determine. What reviews are going to make some assholes make life miserable for some ladies?

Like you VBB I was very secretive of who I was at the mp's and it wasnt until the parties really started taking off that the mpa's started to find out who I was along with the owners.

I still get offers from the owners for a free session and to date I've only accepted one free door charge and that was about 3 or 4 years ago. When I go for a massage or whatever, I'm there for a good time and if the lady is at all uncomfortable it gets backed off.

Just thinking about some of the ladies now and I miss Angela *sobbing* IT/C2M

 

[Big Hard Hammer]

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Seeing as Rev, is on vacation, I'm gonna hop off the fence for a moment. It's not a position I like, coz I can't see the other backyards and neighbours windows around me, but Rev's view is actually more in line with my own personal view. We just disagree somewhat as to the overall picture.

Although the quotes are pointing toward VBB, my thoughts are a general comment on all reviews, because that is where the issue really lies.


Rev questioned the motivation of the reviewer. What I question is the reader. Why do people feel the need to read details. I can understand that you want an accurate report on the session to make informed choices. No doubt, creative humorous [and explicit] reviews are more entertaining, but I don't totally get why, as clients, people seemingly need, require and want explicit details.

OK, here are two examples of my reviews. I use them because I'm lazy and it's easier for me to recollect my own reviews than those of others. Although maybe not creative or interesting, I think they do convey what a client needs to know and IMO represent an acceptable middle ground between "love letters" [although the Cameron one leans that way ... heheh] and penthouse forum. I'm sure there are more creative examples out there that say a lot without being too direct.

Mya, Angelina & Platinum

Cameron - HFH's Hidden Gem

On a side note, unless I'm losing my mind [which isn't beyond reason], one of my reviews appears to have been deleted, because it's theme, although not explicit, was based on the MPA being 'the bodyslide queen' and later that spa had a problem with bylaw and the mention of said activity in reviews, while at present there is no problem. So believe me when I say, I know how it feels to have reviews censored or deleted. If it were me I'd take a proactive approach against it, but as I say, that's just me.

So, tell me, is there really a critical difference between saying, "the essential requirements were there and she was very receptive to my oral advances" vs "we engaged in dfk and she seemed to respond to my awsum skills when I went down on her" ... You may well say that if there is no difference then why not post specific details openly, but there is a difference to an outsiders perception.

It seems to me that the more detailed a report is, the more it takes away from that element of intrigue, the unknown and the personal fantasy. I honestly don't need to read my fellow massageplanet.netites personification of their genitals and how well they were handled [unless you're doing a gay review ... heheh]. As a potential client trying to make a decision, the finish was creative, sensual and thoroughly explored is all I need to know regarding the MPA being reviewed. This example, although it could be more creative, is more in keeping with my idea of "pushing the limits", but doesn't cross "the line".

 

[jeffmesa35]

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I'm not sure what you're so concerned about:

1. Not much of any use to LE is revealed on this board. In fact, most of the reviews go so far in their "wink, wink, nudge, nudge - you know what I mean" style that there really is no information in them at all. You can't discuss street action at all. You can't make explicit reference to illegal acts at an MP or SC. For the most part, you end up with guys plugging their favourite girl or, worse, shilling for somebody and there isn't enough detail to either test the credibility of the poster or even to know whether the poster shares the same tastes as you do.

2. Dancers, MPAs, and SPs know what clients want, ideally. Some are willing to go the whole 9 yards, others have limits or just deliver sub-par service. I can understand that removing the mystery about these issues would cost some girls some business, but why should we worry about that? Don't we all want to know what we're getting for our money? Is it unfair to want to know? I don't think so. If a girl is nervous about providing service to a customer because he might write about it on massageplanet.net, its probably because she has limits or lacks in service which, if known, would cost her some business. However, that's exactly what should happen.

Yes, these girls are people too. However, sometimes the nicest thing you could do for a person is to point out that they're in the wrong line of work.

 

[MHMcHH <F2>]

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Sorry rayden...

If I wanna lose my "nice guy" image, there's gonna have to be some lumps

... but maybe we can take "Bad Boy 101" together at York U...

First year courses include:

1.) How to dress for (un)success(ful)> leather, Harley t-shirts.... or an 80's vintage concert T-shirt. For instance the Who's VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY (we mean it THIS time) final tour.

2.) Razors are for WUSSES
> there's a REASON Don Johnson was cool back in the 80's

3.) Bad attitude for beginners
> treat them like shit so they keep coming BACK
> "he only hits me coz he loves me..."
> "if you give me a BJ tonight I promise to call tomorrow.... and I won't cum in your mouth..."
> "what the FUCK do you mean DATY ??"

4.) Get your lazy ass to the gym
> yeah, a nice guy is, well.... "nice" .... but a guy with abs HAS to be cool, right ???

5.) Best macho ride
> choices include:
a) 1979 Trans Am with screaming chicken emblem and fuzzy dice
b) 1992 BMW 318i with 18 inch wheels, blacked out windows, cheerybomb exhaust and neon underlighting. Coz a 318i is virtually an M3.
c) 1999 Honda Civic coupe just like VIN DIESEL drove in Fast & Furious, coz HE DA MAN.

 

[Alison W]

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Everybody has valid points and we should all keep in mind that we all share common goals.

The main thing is to keep each other informed about service providers while minimize the damage to these service providers.

I don't think people post on massageplanet.net with bad intentions but sometimes it just ends up that way. If I ever post something that is damaging or hurtful, I would like to know so that I don't repeat that mistake.

Mistakes will be made on massageplanet.net and feelings will be hurt, but if people post these mistakes and how it has affected others, we can at least try to be better the next time around.

 

[Hawt Chiq]

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Come on baby! More suckie suckie less talkie talkie!

KIDDING - KIDDING - KIDDING

 

[June Dafina May]

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I'm trying, believe me! Now POOL and SHEIK think I'm a stalker,
Paul's padlocked the door at IT, and Rusty just keeps talking
about some sinister foreskin (?)! Pfff...

 

[ELAINE.]

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Not at all.... guys should post reviews... good and bad... me as an owner.... I learn from both... and so do the girl's *S*

 

[I wanna know?]

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huh what, stalker?


Ah ne'er mind.... more talkie talkie pls

 

[Des]

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Nice objective respectful review.

fag.

 

[Ramer T]

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Now I'm turning red

I'm a little slow RS but I catch on sooner or later !

 

[sun8979]

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I'm confident in my masculinity pool. Yer not too shabby yerself either.

 

[cyyutegurl]

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Yes, I read the Toronto Life article yesterday.... waiting in my Dr's office !! LOL

The article focused on the new Pearson Terminal, but had a sidebar RE: the "sex industry" around Brampton/Mississauga. This has been mentioned in other posts so no point in rehashing the fine points.

Maybe one final thought:

I think ALL of us (MP Owners, MPA's, clients) have a stake in making the business work, coz it's a "symbiotic" relationship, in that we all need each other.

> MP Owners need to offer clean facilites and treat their clients well. They also need to generate traffic so that MPA's will make $$$$...

> MPA's need to focus on customer service, fullfill a "fantasy" within the limits and build a repeat clientele.

> Clients need to RESPECT their MPA's while at the same time write constructive reviews in order to generate leads for the fabulous MPA's who deserve our $$$$.

massageplanet.net is a tool which can be used by ALL of us, but when it's MISused the problems occur...

When an MPA feels she has to put out in order to avoid a "bad review" that's wrong, but I don't know how to FIX that, besides not letting her know who I am in the first place.

Maybe the reviews I write could be more discrete, but would that REALLY make a difference ? If the MPA doesn't want her name mentioned on massageplanet.net at all, probably not...

Anyway, I'll be interested to keep reading other members thoughts....